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No more C-17s, DOD officials tell Congress

Posted 7/13/2010 Email story   Print story

    


by Lisa Daniel
American Forces Press Service


7/13/2010 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- The military has more than enough large transport planes, and the appropriation of any more in the next budget year will force some into premature retirement, Defense Department officials told a congressional panel July 13.

"We have enough C-17s," said Mike McCord, the principal deputy undersecretary of defense (comptroller). "Money spent on things we don't need takes away from those we do need."

Along with Mr. McCord, Maj. Gen. Susan Y. Desjardins, the director of strategic plans for Air Mobility Command, and Alan Estevez, the principal deputy assistant secretary of defense for logistical and materiel readiness, repeated Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates' position against the purchase of more C-17 Globemaster IIIs to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs' federal financial management subcommittee.

All three defense officials agreed with the subcommittee's leaders, Sens. Thomas Carper and John McCain, that the C-17, in addition to the C-5 Galaxy, has been critical to airlift in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan. However, they said, the military's current fleet of 223 C-17s and 111 C-5s is more than enough airlift capability for years to come.

A department study that concluded in February was consistent with two other studies that found that the current fleet is sufficient "even in the most demanding environments" to take the military through 2016, Mr. McCord said.

The oldest plane in the transport fleet, Lockheed's C-5, will be viable until 2025, and the fleet as a whole should last until 2040, he said.

The department has not requested C-17s, built by Boeing, since the fiscal 2007 budget, yet Congress has added them every year since, spending about $1.25 billion on C-17s "that we don't want or need," said Mr. McCord, who was a 21-year staff member of the Senate Armed Services Committee before his current appointment.

Any additional appropriation for C-17s will have to be offset by retiring some of the military's older, but still viable, transport planes, the defense officials said.

And, adding force structure such as aircraft always entails additional costs in training, maintenance, and infrastructure, such as new hangars, bases and tooling, defense officials said.
 
The department spends about $50,000 per aircraft per year to store aircraft where spare parts are available, General Desjardins said.

"It's the gift that keeps on giving, because if you give it to us, we'll maintain it," Mr. Estevez said.

It would be more cost-effective, the defense officials said, to modify the C-5M for longer viability to continue to work in conjunction with the C-17. 

General Desjardins called the C-17 the "backbone" of the air mobility fleet, and said the C-5's combination of long range, high capacity and capability to carry outsize cargo is unequaled.

Together, she said, "they meet the needs for cargo and capacity anywhere in the world."

Retiring the least-capable C-5s would save about $320 million, General Desjardins said.

"Making tradeoffs of two types of aircraft when we already have more than enough of both is not going be cost effective," Mr. McCord said.

When asked what the department would cut to accommodate any new C-17s, Mr. McCord said that would depend on how many new C-17s were bought.

"You and Congress would decide that," he said, "because you would cut from our budget about $300 million for every C-17 added."

"We have a good mix right now," Mr. Estevez said. "Replacement is definitely not the most cost-effective way. Buying more to retire more is certainly not the way the department needs to balance its resources."

The defense secretary has made that case to Congress, and President Barack Obama has promised to veto any legislation that provides for more C-17s.



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7/20/2010 11:00:16 AM ET
As others have pointed out, we need to plan for the war 20 years from now, which the F22 and F35 are going to fight. Planning for only the current war is a recipe for disaster--Chancelorsville, the Marne, Verdun, Pearl Harbor, Bataan, Corregidor, the Philippines, Chosin, Tet, Mogadishu. We won them all eventually, but better preparedness and forward thinking means not having to scramble.
Michael Z. Williamson, Indiana
 
7/15/2010 8:54:50 AM ET
Get USAF a new tanker......NOW
Rick554, Strongsville Ohio
 
7/14/2010 9:01:50 PM ET
Most cargo is being moved via contract airlift. Stop by a busy AMC base and you will see Atlas and Kalitta 747s loading up almost daily. Hard to justify more C-17s when we did much more with 230 C-141s that are half the size without paying Fed Ex and UPS to fly what Air Force aircrews are paid to do.
TSgt Picka, MDL
 
7/14/2010 3:39:00 PM ET
K when were you born, I seem to remember pilots fighting and dying in air-air and air-ground combat in 1991. That's a whole 19 years. I seem to remember reading in a history book somewhere people saying that WWI was the war to end all wars, so we didn't need to deveop tanks/aircraft/tactics anymore. Hmmm, about 20 years later there was another war we weren't prepared for. Shortsightness is helped along by the nature of current conflict. Just because we're fighting this type of war now doesn't mean we don't need other instruments of power for the future. K - your reading assignment is U.S. history and maybe a few searches on political-military articles on increased Chinese aggression in the South Pacific...
Scott, Texas
 
7/14/2010 3:26:14 PM ET
Instead of planes we don't need, let's add manning. We are strapped on manning and more cuts are being made. I will take more people to do the job over equipment and be very happy about it.
SC, Charleston
 
7/14/2010 3:17:44 PM ET
What if instead of buying more planes we used the money to pay down national debt and free up more resources down the line? I think instead of constantly injecting more blood maybe we should try to stop the bleeding first. AW's got the right idea that we need to be more innovative, but innovation doesn't necessarily require growth at least not right away. We've got plenty of F-22's for now.
tr, ok
 
7/14/2010 11:18:21 AM ET
And the last time we saw an air-to-air war was when The money needs to go toward the new refueler that ensures the heavy aircraft can get the people and the equipment to the fight and then home again. Then we need to ensure we have sufficient numbers of the A-10 or whatever CAS platform replaces it so our ground troops are covered. The F-22s we have now are good enough along with the F-35s that got forced on us. Let's put the money where the no-kidding heavy-lifting is getting done.
K, Iraq
 
7/14/2010 8:40:20 AM ET
Less money on transport aircraft and more on the F22 and F-35. Russia now has a 5th generation stealth fighter and China is working on theirs. We need the Raptors and F-35.
AW, VA
 
7/13/2010 10:37:38 PM ET
So how much money will it take to coax legislators into buying more C-17s now that DOD has said they don't need any more?
PB, US
 
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